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Poweredge Sc440 Pci-e hack (x16 vga card in any slot)
I decided to re-write this looking at what i wrote last night, I was evidentally effected by the inhilation of melted plastic fumes.
I was recently sent a link to dell.com where there was an offer on their servers, making a dual core xeon with 4gb of ram etc.. dirt cheap. So without any hesitation I wipped the card out and a week later my brandnew machine arrived, the reasoning to myself was that this was going to be my new workstation. I stuck in a vista install disk and off I went, didn’t take long and a fresh install and a new machine was there ready to use. The poweredge comes with an onboard ATI es1000, which honestly is bloody awful. So without any real investigation i went out and purchased a gfx card allowing me to hopefully have some sort of graphics acceleration in my machine. New GFX card in hand I opened up my dell machine and found there was no where inside the machine for this card to fit…
This is the inside of the poweredge, you can see the two white pci (regular) slots. then the three black pci-e slots are (x1,x4,x8). Which obviously makes you wonder where a gfx card is going to fit, x16 is the normal for gfx cards. The other sized gfx cards are either:
- Rare as rocking horse poo
- Overpriced
- Crap
After lots of research it turns out that pci-e is backwards/forwards compatible, in that a smaller card will fit in a larger slot… and a larger card CAN fit in a smaller slot..
This is an extract from wikipedia (trusted source
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- a PCIe card will physically fit (and work correctly) in any slot that is at least as large as it is (e.g. an x1 sized card will work in any sized slot);
- a slot of a large physical size (e.g. x16) can be wired electrically with fewer lanes (e.g. x1, x4, or x8) as long as it provides the power and ground connections required by the larger physical slot size.
In both cases, PCIe will negotiate the highest mutually supported number of lanes.
Obviously the biggest problem is that the slots have plastic molded end pieces etc .. which mean that in theory only the correct card will fit in the correct slot. This meant using a knife and a bit of messing around i needed to adjust one of my other pci-e slots. So carefully i removed the back of the slot with a sharp craft knife and then cleaned it up using a heated screwdriver.. (being careful not to get any hot plastic on the pins) and low and behold.. i know have a working pc with GFX…
Once the card was in, moved the cables over the card, gave it a boot and off we go..
Benchmarks have been relatively impressive so far, and the system has been very stable.
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about 2 years ago
hey you sound like an optimist like me! i am about to do the same to my sc440, which numbered slot did you cut? the x4 is supposed to work but i’m unsure which actual slot that is on the mo-bo, also did it just work or did the on board gfx need disabling in cmos?
thanks
ross
about 2 years ago
Snx for you job!
It has very much helped me!
about 2 years ago
I’ve been looking at the same problem for a friend of mine, but he didn’t want to void the warranty. Adex Electronics makes the PEXP16-SX-16/8, a slot converter (16x to 8x). I tried it with an Asus AEX 1550 Silent in the 8x slot, and it didn’t work. I then tried it in the 4x slot (same size as a normal 8x slot) and that works.
about 2 years ago
I’m too cheap to buy another extra for the slot, though it would just be easier to snap bits off
about 2 years ago
can i put this card http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(18018)XFX-GeForce-6200TC-256MB-PCIE-Silent-Cooling.aspx
into my dell sc440..please help me out..
about 2 years ago
1 x PCI Express x16
Yeah you can make any PCI-E card work.. you’ll just need to hack the slot that’s all
about 1 year ago
good site dqmoyl
about 1 year ago
“I decided to re-write this looking at what i wrote last night, I was evidentally effected by the inhilation of melted plastic fumes.”
Wouldn’t the fumes have AFFECTED you? It seems that the EFFECTS of the fumes were still with you the following day….
about 1 year ago
I have a dell poweredge t105 i did the same on the pci e x8 but wouldn t detect the card any help the card working perfectly on other pc
about 1 year ago
i did the same think for the dell pweredge T105 but the card wasnt detected any help ?
about 1 year ago
running a year with cut slot great pc I am using
creative labs usb 5.1 sound as well, was supplied with 1 gig ram and 2 x 80 gig sata drives, now has 1 x sata and an ide drive removed from a lidl external usb drive, has pci satellite tv card hacked to recieve tv from lots of providers with
motorised dish
about 1 year ago
The Bios appears to do some check on the x8 slot and it wont work if it detects a graphics card.. hence having to use the x4 slot
about 1 year ago
@dan
Question: even though the hack lets you stick in the PCIe card and it seems to work, are you getting the throughput that the card is actually capable of providing? Thanks!
about 1 year ago
Well, really depends on the card. The Pci-e specification works on how many lanes are connected, so if you put a 16 lane card into a 4 lane slot you will get only the speed of 4 of the 16 lanes.
about 1 year ago
@dan
Great dan, what about pci-e x1, could I use it and cut x1 slot to fit the x16 video card? Is there be any problems like x8 slot?
about 1 year ago
As far as I’m aware, it’s only a firmware issue on the motherboard on the x8 slot. If you cut the x1 or the x4 slot then you will get the designated lanes of that particular slot.
about 1 year ago
I do with MSI NX8400GS 512 MB but it work s only in safe mode! PC recognizes the nVidia chip, installs driver, runs at 1280×1024 but only safe mode. Any suggestions? Soft or hardware issue?
about 1 year ago
I got it… SUPER it works fine on my HP dc5100 MT with a single pci-e x1… as usual the problem was…. WINDOWS! Thanks again Dan.
about 1 year ago
@IvanGo7
What was windows doing?
about 1 year ago
I don’t know. But the good old “reinstall” helps once again! I have a “?”. Once I hack the 8400 nvidia in, is it worth to try some 9 generation card or it’s useless? Does the bandwidth of the pci-e x1 could handle DDR3 ram and higher Hz or … don’t know the limitations are …???
about 1 year ago
Is there a preference to the type of graphics card that the sc440 likes. ie A Radeon or Nvidia. Or can it handle either.
Thanks
about 1 year ago
Cant believe it, but its true (since 15min).
Succesfully mod sc440 in the 8x-PCI-eSlot with:
Sapphire Ultimate Radeon HD 4670 passive cooling with heatpipes!
Dual monitors with 1600×1400 @ 100Mhz!
Really AMAZING!!
about 1 year ago
Cant believe it, but its true (since 15min).
Succesfully mod sc440 in the 8x-PCI-eSlot with:
Sapphire Ultimate Radeon HD 4670 passive cooling with heatpipes!
Dual monitors with 1600×1400 @ 100Mhz!
Really AMAZING!!
about 1 year ago
anyone succeedfully done this to poweredge t100 (which is replacement of sc440)? seems neither pci-e x4 or pci-e x8 will work, dell disable this from bios?
Thanks,
about 1 year ago
@Apostolos
Do you have any pics of the mod for ref? I am considering the mod and just want something as reference.
about 1 year ago
The hack works.
Brought a HP Mini-Q 2030 a week ago, it comes with only one PCI-E x1 slot (when I order it, I thought the ‘x1′ means ‘one PCI-E slot’). I drill out the 19th~21st pins on my PCI-E x16 ATI Radeon HD 3400 and install it. No problem at all.
about 1 year ago
Good work
about 10 months ago
Brilliant, it worked with my SC440 machine.
about 9 months ago
I can confirm this works on PowerEdge T100.
However, only one of them works ( I cut both to test it )
The slot that is higher up from the ground will work for the T100 with a ATI 3450HD Radeon card ( dual dvi ) as long as the onboard vga is disabled by bios.
about 9 months ago
Thanks a lot for sharing this information. I am already done with the hack. I installed XFX Nvidia 8600 GT 256 MB DDR3. My problem is that there is no A/C or cooler available at my home. This card starts to make noise as soon I start any graphic centric application. Say Game..
I am not sure if additional case fan can help me. Do u have any clue???
about 9 months ago
This sounds more like there is something caught in the fan perhaps. If the card is working then enough power is being sent through the pci-E port to power the card, i’d have a good examine of the card. If you can’t see anything then i’d consider further cooling inside the case, perhaps email me a photo of the inside of the case.
–Dan
about 7 months ago
I decided to give the method described above a try for my 3-monitor setup. And it worked
I bought the cheapest nvidia gfx card I could find, took it out of the box and started cutting. A few moments later; presto!
Thanks for posting this. It was this article that gave me the confidence to try it myself.
about 7 months ago
Oh, and for anybody who wants to try this:
It’s really quite easy. All you have to do is cut away lanes 8 and 9 beyond the notch. I used a dremel-like cutting tool.
If you’ve never used a tool like that before, like me, I would advise you try it on another pcb (computer card) first. Just so you get a feel for the material. It cuts/grinds away rather easy, so you have to be somewhat careful you don’t cut away too much.
I have barely more then basic computer-technical knowledge and my experience with modding-jobs like this is non-existent. I’d never even held a dremel before today. Still I managed this mod, it’s THAT easy
about 7 months ago
Gah, I just realized my mod was slightly different from the one described in this post. The OP cut away part of the PCIe slot on his mainboard. I, instead, cut away a few lanes of the PCIe 16x graphics card, so it would fit in an un-modified PCIe 1x slot.
My reasoning was: I’d rather risk destroying a $30 graphics card then a $200 mainboard. Plus, in the future I’m much more likely to replace my mainboard for an upgrade then that secondary graphics card. So I won’t have to do the mod again.
about 3 months ago
Kamil, good should. I performed the same hack to my graphics card. Use a dremel with a cutting wheel to remove a little piece from the connector edge of the graphics card and it slots right in and works a treat
about 3 months ago
I just did this (cut away the back of the pci-e slot) on a Dell T100 and my card is working great in the 8x slot. Thanks for the post!